August 15, 2009

Dealing with the ex's new life and partners...

You have an issue with your ex regarding the kids and how to schedule day care, after school care, rules, privileges, boundaries, respect and more. You hang up the phone and share your frustrations about your ex with your partner. He/she has great ideas or just listens and will let you vent. How much involvement does your partner have in the real daily life issues with your kids and your ex? How much do you think they should have? Knowing that your ex might hang up the phone and talk behind your back to a person who has stepped into the role you no longer share directly with your ex might change how you deal with your ex. Maybe you take on more than you should in order to curb bad mouthing situations. You might try and place your ex in a position to push his/her buttons so the new partner can see your ex at their worst. You also might decide to do what's best for your children overall as usual, but is involving the new partner also a good idea? The easy answer - whatever the two families decide is best is what's best. I believe that part to be true but I also see a different side. Have you ever wondered who is spending time with your kids when you aren't there? You wonder about your kids friends and who they have as teachers. You want to make sure that everyone who has some length of time with your kids is a good influence so why not get to know the other half? Some figure that this person won't have a say in your kids upbringing but do you really know how your ex has reached their decisions? Maybe the decisions are made with the influence of this other person. How does your ex spend time with the kids when their partner is present? Is time really being spent blending? Is the relationship your ex is having a positive example of two people in love as well as a positive example of conflict resolution between two people. Relationships are hard enough to build sometimes and then you have to factor in the extras and how their families run and then somehow blend it all or figure out where you'll fit in. My experiences in this area have been positive ones when I was the person the ex was partnering with but there's no doubt you have to walk a fine line between the kids, the ex, and your partner since outsiders see things differently; not necessarily fairly but differently. I've seen exes who take on more of the time with the children in order to allow their ex to explore the new beginnings of a relationship. Once the relationship is established, I've seen those same people go back to the normal way of life in order to show the new partner what life is really like with the kids. Where they used to take on extra weekends and days, they pull back and say your responsibility is what it is and you will do it with new partner or not. What if the new partner has kids that are grown or never had kids? This partner might be finished being a part of the outside kid activities or not used to fitting it into their weekend schedule and wants that single life time sans kids. How do you handle this? I've been lucky, I haven't had too much trouble with this. I've dated men with kids and men without. I didn't expect the men to show up to my kids activities. One did and one didn't. It didn't matter but I noticed that efforts were made with my kids by both in different ways. Showing respect to the new guy/gal is great but keep in mind this person is a part of your kids life if he/she is around even if it's only for your ex the person is still around your kids and it should probably be a factor that isn't overlooked or underestimated.

How do you handle this delicate situation? Are you happy with the results of your efforts or is there a lack of effort on purpose?

©2009 Savannah Jones

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

My ex does the button pushing I feel to make me at my meanest around my boyfriend. He gets me upset with his choices made around the kids and does it only when my boyfriend is there. He runs late on purpose when he knows I'm supposed to go out. It doesn't cause a problem until my boyfriend says I need to let it go and then I'm mad at both of them.

Anonymous said...

My ex is dating and I am happy for her. I want her to make the guy step up and take a more active role in my kids life. He takes a lot of her time and a woman told me that I need to stop filling in for her when she's off with him and away from the kids. This woman told me that I need to keep her accountable and if that means the guy is part of it then the guy is. What do you think about that idea? Where you asked to be a part of the kids life or did you choose to be? I have dated women with kids and I took a role as a role model but stayed out of the parenting role until I saw that if I didn't I was just an accessory.

Anonymous said...

I resent taking part of the parent so the other real parent can have a nice married life. I don't know why my boyfriend and I get stuck with his kids on weekends when I don't have kids just because they don't follow a schedule. I don't like it and think it's some built in excuse to not do other things with me or it's an excuse for the ex wife to have a life. Either way, I'm not happy with this and how do we change it. Why do some partners have so much say and others don't?

Anonymous said...

My friend was a great mom to her old boyfriend's kids and they still call her but use friend's phones when they do. She can't understand why the kids can't tell their parents they talk with her. I'm divorced and I've dated men and became close with the kids but when it ended I didn't like their dad and it was my only way to get away from him was to also leave the kids. What do you think about me contacting the kids.

Anonymous said...

After school care has come up between my ex and me. My boyfriend agrees with me that the kids should be old enough to stay on their own at home and my ex disagrees. It does get ugly sometimes and I think my ex is trying to make me look like I don't care instead of giving my kids some space. I don't button push but my boyfriend really doesn't know how I married my ex and neither do I.

Anonymous said...

Savannah,
My ex husband is more controlling than I am and too controlling or involved with the kids activities and even though he doesn't expect me to be there and around for these events, I heard he bad mouths me. I also found out that the woman he likes has the same issues with him as I did. I've never been able to explain to my ex why I left but I'm thinking I can through this other woman's issues with him. He has a condescending tone, a disapproving look, he starts sentences and backs off to let you know that something isn't right, I heard she's a great gal and easy going but not around him. I think he doesn't have good interpersonal skills and my boyfriend is outgoing. He's involved with my kids but not the way my ex would think a dad should be. We will probably get married one day and my boyfriend will take on many roles with my kids but yes we laugh after I hang up and listen to his issues or complaints but finding out that this laid back woman is feeling the same, really opened my eyes that he doesn't understand people, himself possibly or is open to being an open person to share the family with. This other woman has a man from her past who is really a part of the present and I hear he can't deal with that either and deals with it like a sore loser instead of how cool she keeps her relationships going and close. Any suggestions?

Anonymous said...

My girlfriend's ex boyfriend is the problem not an ex husband. She can't stop seeing him for dinners and events. She says it's nothing but I've caught her in so many lies about where she's been and why. Last year in the fall, I let the old boyfriend's girlfriend in on the secret that they were traveling together and sharing a room even though two were purchased. I don't have as much at stake as his girlfriend did. I thought she should know. I know she vents to him and talks about me and I know his gal doesn't want to hear about the old girlfriend. Should I get to know his girlfriend better and see what can be done?

Anonymous said...

This is helpful to see out there because people don't talk about this with a lot of friends because if your ex is making you feel like there's something wrong with you and you're dating someone else you don't like people thinking there is something really wrong with you.

Anonymous said...

I date a man who sleeps over and my ex has a fit about this. I'm in a relationship and we might end up living together and then marry. I think he's just jealous that he doesn't have this life. It doesn't hurt the kids we aren't running around having sex in front of the kids or anything like that around the kids. His kids are grown and he has nowhere he needs to be so why not be with me and my kids. If anything the kids get to see me as a loving human being and wife and mother. The kids were too young to remember us married so here's a chance to see a relationship that works. I see no down side and my ex only sees me having endless sex in his mind right in front of the kids. How mean and stupid.

Anonymous said...

My girlfriend's ex husband is no longer here and that's a difficult position for a man. I get to be everything and I like that but I don't. I don't want to be a dad to kids I didn't have but I want to be a husband one day so I step up and play dad. These kids want a dad who knows how to be a friend. Supporting and loving their mom is something they look at. If I try to tease or make fun in any way of their mom, I'm down the list by three notches or more. I don't have the ex issue in the same way but I have the missing ex factor. I don't make decisions for the kids but I support the decisions their mom makes.

Savannah Jones said...

Getting to know the other person's girlfriend and talking with her isn't going to be good for anyone...that's just my way of thinking. I think there's other issues here that need to be addressed that are more pressing than going behind someone's back and getting to know the other person.

Savannah Jones

Savannah Jones said...

Third person down:
I am from the mindset that if this relationship you are in is serious then you probably have some in to talking with your boyfriend about the lack of a schedule. I have seen some people who don't have a schedule and I've seen others who don't insist that the kids see the other parent. I believe if there's no harmful reason to not see a parent then visitation at all ages should be encouraged by both parents. One of the things to take into consideration is many habits and aggreements probably were put in force before you or the whole dating scene came into play. Therefore, this isn't part of the plan and maybe if the plan has changed so should some of the routines or lack of one. It's worth making a suggestion.

Savannah Jones

Savannah Jones said...

Contacting the kids of the old boyfriend: Hmmmm think about what is the purpose for you to do this? I can understand if the kids are wanting to contact you but if you put distance between all of you and then you reach out it will be really awkward for the kids I would think. In the case of your friend I understand that they don't want to upset their parent so they use another's phone but it didn't sound like there was a break in contact and the kids are initiating the calls. I think if you are wanting to tell them you are sorry you left them hanging without an explanation, you might want to send a heads up to the parent first. I know it's hard when kids are involved and I know that kids can see through their own parents break ups if they are old enough to understand. I do think it's important to not bad mouth their parent and like I said, in most cases they probably have already seen through whatever the parent told them or maybe it was the truth but kids will know if old enough to understand.

Savannah Jones

Anonymous said...

This has been a helpful tool to deal with these issues that so many of us deal with.

Anonymous said...

I have a question about exes and new life and new partners. Do you think you should ask the partner to be an active person in your kids life or should he become it on his own?

Savannah Jones said...

Above:
I believe in making others who have anything to do with my kids feel comfortable around the kids and me. If the man is always staying in his car and waiting while your ex gets the kids or can't sit with you and talk with you at your kids games, it might make the kids uneasy or feel pressure to have to choose right then. When kids aren't with us they probably are establishing some relationship with the other person but not always comfortable talking about it. Like adults they might minimize it to protect the parent on either side.
My suggestion is to offer that opening and invite. I know I opened my home to my ex and his girlfriend and he welcomed my boyfriend to sit with him at my kids games and during tournaments we ate together...the four of us. It made it easier on the kids and everyone put their differences aside for the kids. I'm happy I gave that to my children and anyone who can offer it with a positive reception will probably feel the same. If not so lucky on the receiving end, it's okay, you tried and even though at first you didn't succeed, you might later as everyone warms up to the idea.

Savannah Jones

GG said...

HELP!!

I ave been dating my boyfriend now for 6 months, we love each other dearly and have spoke about our future together and even getting married. Problem is he has a 9 month old daughter who he adores and wants to spend lots of time with but his ex has said she doesn't want me anywhere near her and that if he wants to spend anytime with his daughter or have her overnight then it has to be on her say so and she always has to be there even if it means him staying over and spending 24/7 in his ex's company to see his daughter! Its starting to cause major arguements between us and I dont see any light at the end of the tunnel. Anyone any suggestions on how to deal with this matter accordingly?

GG said...

HELP!!

I ave been dating my boyfriend now for 6 months, we love each other dearly and have spoke about our future together and even getting married. Problem is he has a 9 month old daughter who he adores and wants to spend lots of time with but his ex has said she doesn't want me anywhere near her and that if he wants to spend anytime with his daughter or have her overnight then it has to be on her say so and she always has to be there even if it means him staying over and spending 24/7 in his ex's company to see his daughter! Its starting to cause major arguements between us and I dont see any light at the end of the tunnel. Anyone any suggestions on how to deal with this matter accordingly?

Savannah Jones said...

GG,
I guess what I'm wondering is if there's a parenting plan in place? The parenting plan handles these types of issues as far as visitation and custody rights. There are additions of conduct that can be added to parenting plans but usually both parties need to be in agreement and agree on how it will be handled if the agreement is broken. While it can be confusing for a young baby to bounce around and adjust to different settings, I feel a parenting plan is most helpful in these situations. In the past, I remember reading articles about the importance of letting mom be mom to a young baby and unless marriage is in the near future with your boyfriend it's probably best to not get too attached to the baby or have the baby get too attached to you. Separation anxiety is difficult enough with a baby/toddler and the biological parents, it would be difficult to add others to the equation early on. I'm not a counselor or child psychologist. I am not sure why the father would need 100% supervised visits with his child and that supervision be from his ex. The courts provide people for that so it seems there's a lot of information left out or for the most part isn't making a lot of sense. Ex's do have a way of coming between their ex and the new partner but in the case of the baby...I can understand the part of not wanting the bonding part with another woman to go on while the mom is creating bonds in this developmental period with someone that isn't exactly engaged yet to her ex. I don't understand the visitation part though between her ex, her, and the baby.
I placed your question in the newest post for any to answer. Some only read the newest post.

Savannah Jones

GG said...

How do you get into the newest posts?

Savannah Jones said...

GG,
I'm assuming that you found my site from a search.

Just type in www.letstalkoverlatte.com like you would anything you go to that you already know the address to. This should take you to the opening page. The site shows the newest post first and then about the previous five posts. If you want anything earlier than that, you'll need to go to the archive section on the right side.

I hope this is helpful...

Savannah Jones