January 22, 2009

Who do you love...Who do you need...When you come undone?

There's that moment when you come undone, unglued, unsomething... Who do you need as Duran Duran asked? Example, let's say you had a negative turning point which changes you. You become turned off, tuned out, self focused, driven for a cause, but in all instances this has a negative impact on being the regular you. Most people do try and place themselves in others shoes and that helps lessen the pain and create a we're in it together approach. This week I was told by two people near and dear to me that they could pinpoint the moment that the last straw came and I was about to come undone. I'm not talking a roundabout month given, I'm talking giving me the exact date that it happened. Both people had two different agendas for bringing this up. One was very understanding and the other understandably sad. I know these people care deeply for me and my children. In their hearts I know they were enraged on somewhat the same level that I was 8 months ago. But looking back was it too bad for me and my family or too bad for them that the chance to have me in their life like they were used to had changed? Life throws many curve balls and sometimes dodging them gets harder and harder to do. Eventually, you get hit and have to deal. I think the answer to who is it too bad for is a telling one. Yes, it's usually both but the instant reaction and the reflection months later is as intriguing as the fact that who you love and who you need at that time may not end up being the same name. Something to consider is the name that does fit the bill isn't always the name of the person who wants to fit the bill. I thought eight months back and remembered how people handled this situation differently. There were those who were angry and took to writing letters and making calls to anyone who might be able to help the situation. There were those who put their arms around me saying oh it will be okay because it just has to be. I appreciated that but I don't do well with the whole feel sorry, wish me well thing. Then, there were those who rolled up their sleeves and said let's get this turned around and devise a plan. If the sleeves were rolled up, those were the people I gravitated towards. I don't discredit any individual who has a soft side of love and kindness with a sweet demeanor but I need that sweet person to roll up their sleeves while I roll up mine. I'm one of the lucky ones, I still very much enjoy the company of the well meaning friends who have a date I'd like to forget etched in their memory. Good for me that I forgot that date and let it go, not so good that I'm reminded by others. But, it is what it is. ( I know that response will make some smile reminiscently) Someone asked me months ago...now that life is changing what kind of person will you need? What kind of person will you love? My typical answer- Someone who can ride out the changes through life because even if you hit all of the slow pitch balls coming straight at you, life will throw many fast curve balls.

Share your moments...your stories and comments.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is making me think about the people that are there for me too. I made a list and I get it. I haven't been happy with the person in my life but I want to ask you why not tell the person in your life that you need them to roll up sleeves or be a shoulder to lean on? Maybe you did. I did and I didn't see any change. I wondered if you did and if it was successful or is it me?

Anonymous said...

I haven't dated in a year because of coming unglued and the girl I was dating wasn't there for me. How do you do it ya know like be strong and get it all together. I had it put in my face all of my mistakes and put in my face how I can't be there. This was done to me during an illness. Purely unfair.

Anonymous said...

Savannah,
I had to break up with my boyfriend of two years over lifes curve balls. He wasn't the man I needed. I thought I needed him because I loved him so much and you need to be with someone you love. He didn't really have the sides that I needed. I needed a strong can do guy who can figure things out. I had financial problems and needed a hand figuring it out. I didn't know how to move credit cards or balance my accounts right. My ex would do all that. My old boyfriend was great at hand holding and running fingers through my hair with kisses but can do is much better for me and I think many people even men.

Anonymous said...

Savannah,
Its too bad for both people when something gets in the way of romance and love. Life isn't all about fun. My life is good now after my divorce but I did cheat on my ex and it was because the man I was with showed me so much affection and filled with compliments. My ex only reminded me that I wasn't a doing a good enough job. I'm sorry I cheated but I'm free of the control and happy. I'm living life one day at a time. We all need different things from different people.

Anonymous said...

Readers,
I was a woman that stood by her man during rough times. I know he loved me and needed me. When the situation he was in was finally resolved he didn't need me anymore. He still loved me but his plans were to move on without me. I don't regret one moment of my life with him and I know he feels the same. There's a poem that brought me to this site a long time ago. The Reason Season Lifetime Poem is about needing people and the right person being there. I'm glad I was there for him and I think I was there for him for a reason and possibly a season but not a lifetime. I know one day he'll be there for someone just like I was there for him. Everyone has their turn to be that reason season person and hopefully we'll all find out who that lifetime person is too but that was my time to be there for someone else.

Anonymous said...

The old it is what it is. The throw up hands and accept it for what it's worth. This must be an inside joke and I'm not on the inside. I'm not someone who personally knows you but I say this all of the time. It's my way of saying not my problem to change. Might have and effect on me but not my problem to fix. If you break it you pay rule does exist but sometimes people don't break anything but their own chance at love. I'm a "roll up sleeves" person. I know what you're trying to say. I have let go of a couple people in my past because the sit there and coddle approach didn't work for me. The people didn't understand and were hurt, not my problem. I was the one under the life changing stress those people were onlookers.

Anonymous said...

Reason Season lady,
It isn't about him being there now for someone else since you were there for him. It's about now someone being there for you. Maybe your problem won't come for awhile but one day everyone goes through something. My friend stood by her boyfriend for about a year when he lost his job and thought it would be easy to find another. He wanted to marry her before the loss and she stood by him while he went through a horrible depression. We loved this man for her. He had my friend laughing always and knew how to care for her. She was the same with him. He loved her so much and she loved him back equally. His depression changed everything. He made bad choices and she still stood by him. She also thought one day he'll know how to be there for someone else. These two aren't together but still are friends and there for each other if one or the other needed. My friend didn't realize the season reason is that if she was there for someone like that and she always is, then when it's her turn someone will stay by her side and help her get through it all and then possibly leave like the poem says. I'm a believer now in all of this and timing and more stuff spiritual because of my friends situation. Sometimes no matter what you will have a connection to someone whether you want to or not and sometimes the person disappears whether you want them to or not.

Anonymous said...

I'm confused and think I'm with someone like this. If the situation changes is there a time when you don't need the get down to it person? I'm with someone who doesn't have any more problem to solve but has work to do. I want to help but don't know what to ask to do. I'm reading this and getting the impression that one shouldn't ask one should tell or guide. The work is about sitting down and doing it. I've asked to be called but it hasn't happened. My sister told me I should say I'm coming over to do the work no questions or refusals. Spending time with this person I know I will see more of the loving side. I know this person has been through so much and so have a lot of us but on so many different levels. This is pretty high up on the list of who could believe that happened? I know I will be sitting there sifting through boxes and boxes of stuff that piled up through the years but it needs to be done and this person needs help to get it done to be over with it. I want someone to tell me what I should do. I'm too polite I'm told for my own good. I'm waiting to be taken up on the offer and not taking charge and saying this day and this time and let's go to it. Help with this would be nice.

Anonymous said...

Because someone I care about was there for someone who became unglued, my life moved on. Now the guy came back into my life and so did a guy I was seeing while the other woman was needing assistance. I adapted to the changes and found someone else. I dropped the person for the man that came back to me wanting to try and work on things. I don't want to let go of the man that was there for me, and I don't want to let go of the man that came back but I don't think I'll ever be with only the guy that came back to me. I also think I love the other guy and want to make that work too. The other man wants kids and I'm older but want a child with the man I marry or live with no matter who that turns out to be. I don't want to give that up. I also don't want to become unglued and wonder if this woman really had other issues going on or the guy that is now with me again was the problem. I believe him when he said he couldn't leave her because her life was too mixed up and she needed him and I understood, but I need both men now. Don't know what to do about this and any help would be help.

Anonymous said...

This site has been so helpful to me and this article is really helping me not feel guilty about what I had to do and who I had to choose when I got divorced. My divorce dragged on for three years and there was a custody battle. Financially this was a huge drain and stressful but who wouldn't fight for their kids. I've been visiting your site for a year on and off and could tell you must have been in a divorce battle too. You don't come out and say it but it's open to me that courts and lawyers were a part of your life like mine. It changes you forever and I did get rid of people in my life who couldn't understand and anyone who had a move on with life comment got to me. You have a move on with life attitude but honor what needs to be dealt with in time. I don't think I deal as quickly. Life's problems are a strain on any relationship but add in a person who already has their own family to take care of and their own set of responsibilities and it becomes twice as hard even more probably for the other person to deal with. An approach to be in it together is great but rarely available. My court drama is the talk of the town. Wherever I go I hear about it. I talk to all of my friends but only after the day I became unglued like you've said on here. I don't think anyone understands this. A Caring Mom wrote in and I felt so sorry for them. There are so many lessons to learn from you and me and her and we need to share those stories for others. I believe it is why we were chosen to end up in this. It isn't that we married wrong, we married for the right reasons but if you are forty and older, did you have all of the wisdom of personality and characteristics behind you like we give our kids nowadays? I didn't. We didn't have all of these studies that tell us what to look for. I'm going on and on because you've been such a help to me to not feel alone. You're sharing of the story has been great. I assume you aren't telling the whole story for personal reasons but I feel it would help so many if you did.

Anonymous said...

I'm also one of the lucky ones who was very complimentary about how Savannah handled an awful day and the months that followed. Savannah was always complimentary to anyone who took part in her plight to make things better. I know a lot of work had to be done after that day of record. I also know that in my own life I had a day that changed my life and the way I view it. My friendship and contact with Savannah wasn't as often after her day or mine but we'd check in if we could through those that knew us. I didn't share much and she didn't share much except with those we loved and were in relationships with. I am still dealing with my life altering time and I'm still dealing with well meaning friends who do the sorry thing but not much else. I don't blame them either. I did call Savannah for help and she got right on it by providing me names of doctors, and centers. She was able to get me in to a doctor that wasn't taking any new patients. That is a "roll up your sleeve person". There are days were I don't know how I find the strength. I've lost a lot of days of work and my life won't ever be like it was but friends will be there if you let them and even if you don't some still stay. I chose the friends that could help me get through and deal with this. The it is what it is is how Savannah explained her situation three years ago when we first met each other. No promises of it will change so deal if you want to be in my life approach. I had the greatest respect but now I have the same approach if I meet someone new. This is my problem and it is what it is now deal or not. I'd like it if Savannah would really lay it out there on this because it would be beneficial for many. I understand why not doing it is also good. Maybe finding another forum to help others with this side of life and dating would be a great idea. You've been through hell and back and you know first hand that "if you're going through hell, you gotta keep going." Some famous person said this or it was on some billboard. Thanks for helping.

Anonymous said...

Understandably sad what does that mean? How does it differ from understanding? Jan. 1, I made a new years promise to remove myself from a situation with a family member who couldn't understand my problems in my divorce. I don't need someone telling me what I should or shouldn't do if she was me. Is there anyone else out there who this drives crazy? Can anyone really say what they would do unless they were in it. I don't even tell everyone all of it because no one would believe it. I don't know when I'll officially be divorced but this is going to drag on and I think even though this talks about romantic affairs, I think it applies to all around us that are a part of my life. Most of my family calls daily to see what's up in court, not this person and no matter what I say, this person thinks he/she knows better. I don't want to wish a bad thing on anyone but you want them to get the natural idea of if you don't have anything nice to say,use a filter.

Anonymous said...

Can you put the ultimatum article up on front? I want to be able to read it but I can't find it again. I found you randomly on a search about giving ultimatums. I want to know if you can give a guy an ultimatum on giving up other women or else? I want a man to tell me if it will work to ultimatum him? Savannah what do you think and please if you can find it, will you put it on the front?

Thanks :0)

Savannah Jones said...

I'm going to try and tackle the comment two up from this:
If you really want to help than your sister is right. Just tell the person and be there but don't waiver or be wishy washy about it. You said that this problem is over but there's work to be done. There's always work to be done as far as I can tell about life and living to the fullest. Problems will also find a way to arise again in someone's life. You'd have to be a total recluse and even then the hot water heater could break and your pipes freeze etc. There's always something. Heck, I get out there and have a life but I have some painting to get done and any help with that would be much appreciated. It does take a take charge person if a person is overwhelmed, stressed, or worn out now that "the problem" for the time being is over. That take charge person will get the time.

Savannah Jones

Savannah Jones said...

Ultimatum person,
I will put the ultimatum post on front there are many searching for it lately. That's what the New Year does to people, it makes them want movement in life. One piece of advice is if you do decide to ultimatum and the guy says he's not getting rid of the other women, realize he's willing to lose you because that's what you said.Ask yourself first before you ultimatum - are you willing to come through with your end of the or else...? If you're not, I'd think twice or your words won't carry much weight. I'll post it as well as your comment and my answer.

Savannah Jones

Savannah Jones said...

9th comment on here person,
Usually the old comment to a dilemma like this is if you don't know what you want to do yet, do nothing. I'm kinda weird about this because you are involving two other people in this other than yourself. I'm sure the two men would like to know where they stand. It sounds like you don't want to lose either but one is a better match for you than the other. I obviously can't make this decision for you but maybe it's best to figure out what you really need, why you're with these two. A very wise man once told me something in reference to men having more than one woman in life. I'm sure the same applies to women who have more than one man. In terms of a woman, if she doesn't give up seeing any past person she's had a real involvement with, she will feel that the new man is making her happy and keeping her balanced. She has the friend to walk with, the friend to go to lunch with, the old work flame to work with, and then the real love that's current. You can fill in what you do with him...These are examples but I'm sure you get it. You've given up nothing and therefore the man you're with fits in and life feels balanced. When asked to pick and only have the intimate man, then you might see that life takes on a different balance and that balance might make you feel out of sorts but it isn't the guy, it's that you gave up all of the people that represent a part of your life. This wise man wasn't saying you shouldn't get rid of the other men, in fact he was saying that exploring those parts that are shared with others doesn't get a chance because there's no need. Creating the need by getting rid of the others will bring the one guy closer and possibly make it work. Some people don't really want it to work and, that maybe why they hold onto the others. I don't have all of the answers this was just good advice to ponder from a wise man.

Savannah Jones

Anonymous said...

The Reason Poem,
Hoping to comfort anyone on here who needs it. I was a fortunate man to have a lovely lady see me through a dark period in my life. I will forever be grateful and think of her often. She used to tell me this was my time to go through this and I probably need to learn something and once I do, I'll be on my way. I chose my situation and there was a lesson to learn from it. Some don't choose their problem, it happens to them and they have to respond. I know this woman wondered if her role in life would be to be there for others only and once it was taken care of, she'd have to move on. I also know that when her time of trouble came, I hoped that someone was there for her like she was for me. I got to find out that there was and I felt better about it. She couldn't say enough nice things about this man. She said without him, she might have had to give in and up. There were other who stood by her but this is about relationships. I believe I believe I believe but never did I believe until it happened to me. There are reasons people come in and out of our lives when they do and none of it is in our hands.

Anonymous said...

My story is newly being told with a new version and ending. No one talks about all of the kind people who stood by me and are still there. Strangers like those types mentioned in a bad day article are all around me, knowing my script and happy to help. We all come unglued when life doesn't go right over and over. Mine had to do with a diagnosis that I had to get used to living with. It seemed I got bad news every single step. I did become unglued even though it wasn't life threatning, my quality would change. I spent days and night researching and applying for help. I didn't have time for anyone unless they were there to help me, those were the people I celebrated with and cried with. Only one person started feeling sorry for herself that she lost her friend for a temporary time, and I didn't have time to deal with that person's problem. Counselors could do that. I needed to deal with my own. I'm doing okay now, want to start dating and look online about that now. I put in my issues about dealing with stress, singlemotherhood while dating.

Anonymous said...

Savannah,
when does a person find the lifetime person that's being talked about? I've been single for so long that I've given up hope of finding that person.

Anonymous said...

I was talking to my boyfriend who wanted to point out to me that I wasn't the same any more since my friend passed away. It was hard enough to deal with my friend's death but then I had to deal with someone judging me on how I was dealing with it or how it changed me. I don't have any children because I can't. I will never know what it's like to care for a child of my own and put that child before anything else. I am trying to be there for my friend's daughter who isn't even two yet. I haven't come undone or unglued but what is about to make me become unglued is him and his lack of understanding because he also doesn't have kids and doesn't have a friend who passed away yet. I hate when people say they understand but by saying I could never understand but hurt for you and I'm proud of how you're there for your friend's daughter would be really a bonus for my boyfriend. I've tried to find the words to tell him but I don't think there's any winning this. Anybody have advice to give?

Anonymous said...

I don't think there are any words for this. I went through something similar but not with kids quite that young. I was there for someone very close to me. I had to take time away from my boyfriend to do this. She was in a relationship but he wasn't around when we were there. It was hard for her and hard on us because we hurt so much for her and her kids. Some didn't understand but even though the loss is really her kids, the loss is still my friends because of the burden she'll bear everytime there's something with her kids good or bad. I am there for my friend and it wasn't a strain on my relationship. It was the one time that my boyfriends need to be with his family didn't get in the way of me being there for my friend. Her problem strengthened our relationship. It's times like the one you are talking about that show you who are your friends and who really loves you and your kids and even though you don't have kids your heart is in the right place. You may not be the same anymore and me and my friend aren't either because of this moment but we aren't worse off either. We are enlightened and have a higher understanding of what it takes and the types of people it takes to get through something like this. This happened to you and not your boyfriend. He's feeling left out and not able to help. It's too bad that he can't figure out that by being quiet but there for you, he'll be helping. I wish Savannah would write more real articles about this part of life. We are all experiencing some difficult times and this forum is very helpful.