December 9, 2008

Opening Closure Again...

My past closure post has gotten some new interest lately and some of the searches that led to it were:
Why did my girlfriend leave me?
How can I find out why it didn't work?
Is it worth asking why she left?
If I'm the rebound guy, how will I know it's over?
I hate to sound like it's so simple but if a person is really wanting to know why someone left, shouldn't they start with asking the one that left? Sure it's easy to surmise why someone might have left without really talking about it but what if you're wrong? I know I know, it doesn't change anything...right? Wrong! Maybe it can't change the way the one who left feels but, I think when you have an understanding of what happened it can only help you the next time you're in or looking for a relationship and/or help you work on the one you lost. No good comes from not telling the truth about why you decided to leave. The truth will come out at one point or another and if it's not such a glowing reflection of yourself, well...you actually would be better served by spilling the beans yourself before someone else does. At least then the person being left can at least know that you cared enough about them to speak the truth to them even if it hurts or makes you look somehow less desirable. There really isn't a good way to say goodbye and many try to make a perfect exit but someone usually ends up hurt or blindsided and there are no perfect endings. But, what if you don't get an opportunity to get an answer or you find out later that what was supposed to suffice as the answer was a lie using trickery. For example some men have told me that if there might be another woman waiting, the man might say it has nothing to do with anyone else but that the two of you aren't right for one another or whatever the excuse may be for your own relationship. Really a man should own up to the whole other woman idea because women figure it out and it is more upsetting that they know you lied and again, it doesn't make a man appear to be anyone worth crying over. There isn't closure in the right way but there's an end with less respect involved. One guy asked me what do you say if you don't like the woman's ex- husband and it's clear she can't change this part of her life? My suggestion to that was to talk about what was bothering him about the ex and see if there was a way to deal with those frustrations. It's possible you can't but the guy said he'd rather just say it's me and not you line and move on or even just not say anything but disappear. I guess I'm the only one who runs into people again and again because disappearing isn't as easy as one thinks. I've changed grocery stores, post offices, where I work out, and even which mall I frequent in order to get peace and not run into certain people but it never fails that I will run into someone who knows so and so who told them that... I've known people to accept a story even though they knew it was a lie, but just wanted out so bad from this relationship with this said liar that it just works no matter what form closure comes.

Do you need closure and aren't getting it? How do you handle that and what have you done about trying to get closure with someone you were in a relationship with? Have you ever wormed your way around the truth about why the relationship ended and then were caught?

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24 comments:

Ralph said...

In this committment phobic life I lead I don't want a perfect exit that leads to closure. I want an exit that really is an interruption like an intermission and then I want to come back. What do you think about that Savannah and others? I know I have an issue with committment and I know I hurt a lot of women out there, but I can't help it. My friends tell me one day you will meet the right person and then you will marry. I think I've met the right person a few times but found every reason why that person is wrong. That's what committment phobic people do.

Ralph

BRidget said...

It's hard to get closure when you work the person that left you. THere's still opportunities to flirt and misunderstand the flirting. I look for hope everytime I have a business dinner with the guy I broke up with. I hope he gets drunk enough and doesn't answer his phone when his girlfriend calls. I hope he can't answer because he's involved in the meeting and then she I hope gets mad and turns him off and he turns to me. I also hope that if I continue to make him jealous by sending myself flowers like they came from someone then he'll notice me. Our ending wasn't really an ending we just stopped being involved and I know he liked me and I know he was falling in love with me. I feel like Bridget Jones' Diary.

Bridget

Anonymous said...

I looked up closure on your site a couple of days ago and I don't know how you do it. I don't know how anyone can chalk something up to it's over for whatever reason and move on. I haven't had a lot of difficult challenging times though and maybe that's why I don't have the know how to do it. I think it takes a strong individual to do this.

wondering said...

Savannah,
I was head over heels in love with a woman at first sight. I knew she was something special when we met. Pure and honest she was. We were attracted to one another and I know I wasn't on her playing field but I wanted to be. I wish I could be told why it was over. It ended about a year ago and all I want to know is was it someone else, me, or us together. What should I do?

Wondering

Emily said...

I'm so trying to get closure in my life with a guy. I knew he was spending time with a woman and I knew he was with me ALL of the time so it was weird. I really believed nothing was going on. Then he became rude and impatient and critical of me. Then it was over. He pushed me to a point where I stood up for myself and then used my own anger at him against me. I fell for the control issue and accepted that this ending was my fault only to find him out with a woman the next night and his kids told me she was over their house. Kids are funny about watching their own parents do things that aren't nice. I got this call from his daughter and she rocked the boat. I went over to the house with the girl there and saw for myself. He told me it was obvious things weren't working between us and he moved on and then accused me of moving on which I hadn't. He really believed his own lies. I never really got closure from this because what I needed was an honest answer about this woman instead of some drummed up story about how we weren't right for one another and maybe we weren't obviously but that's not why he ended it. Savannah, I've emailed you personally an idea about this that I'd like you to explore and write about. I'm very very hurt by this man and wondered if you've ever had this happen to you. You seem so smart, wise, talented, and have passion in what you believe so I highly doubt that you've gone through this but maybe someone you know has and you helped them through. I can't wait to hear what you have to say. Also please any guy out there who wishes to help me through this please write your comment to me.

Emily

Anonymous said...

I think a year is a long time to reconnect and find out why something didn't work out don't you people reading this? The guy on here says he wants to find out why but it's been a year. Should there be a limit on when to let it go already?

Anonymous said...

Told to tune it because this was getting good. It is I can see that. Great about the trickery idea Savannah because that's what it is it's stating something that is meant to sound true and is to some degree but isn't the whole truth. Have you ever told anyone it wasn't working out but it wasn't working out because someone was worming their way in? I know I have and it came back to bite me and I then had none.

Anonymous said...

Do you really write these at 3 and 4 in the morning like it says. If you hit show original post it shows what time these were posted. My god woman that's a strange time to be writing. When do you sleep? Anyway, I found closure in a strange way. I found it in the courtroom at my divorce proceedings when my husband used my weight gain and depression as a reason to divorce. Each time we went to court a beautiful woman would be waiting for him by his car. That was my closure and my hello to a new life. I lost weight because I got rid of him and I was happy again because I didn't have him around to belittle me. Now, he tries to date me saying he didn't know what he was thinking. NO WAY but I do have closure and finding out the truth is the only way to get it.

Anonymous said...

I've had particular issues with relationships that never really end. I guess I should explain. On more than one occasion I've found myself dating someone who ends up in a relationship with someone else who they were also dating at the same time. We stay friends because there's really no reason not to. We'll talk and get together occasionally. They'll bitch about their new partner, ask me advice, be somewhat unhappy, but not so much to leave them and explore having a relationship with me.

I know what you're thinking. It's the triumph of hope over experience. There is no closure because I won't let it end. But the friendships have been truly good ones...I just have trouble turning off the "I wonder" switch, and either become comfortable with the friendship I now have that I didn't have before, or lose that person from my life forever.

Neither fish nor fowl...

Savannah Jones said...

Dear Wondering,
A year is a long time to be wondering what happened but sometimes minds wander back to a nice time in life and then the questions seem to creep up and take hold. Keep in mind this person has possibly moved on in their life and hearing from you might seem a little odd. However, if you are wanting to do this, then I'd approach it with a not trying to reconnect with you but...This doesn't require meeting or seeing one another. Anyone can answer this through email. Be forewarned if this person has a relationship going with someone, she might not answer you back. Just a little insight into what you mentioned. You said you didn't feel you were on the same playing field, therefore it's possible that's what came between the two of you. I'm not sure but just saying that it probably wasn't a good match if this was how you were feeling.

Savannah Jones

Savannah Jones said...

Emily,
I can only imagine the friends of mine that check in on the site and see that you think I somehow could escape being fooled and taken by someone any more than you. I tend to generally think people are good. In fact, due to what I've been through in this area I make it a point to continue to give people the benefit of the doubt so I don't hold them to the sins of others. There are men who do and say what you expressed it isn't just this one guy you dated. It is hurtful and wrong because if the guy cared enough about you, he'd treat you better even if he wasn't interested in working this out with you. Just note that there was a woman there at the house and if he did this to you, it's likely he'll do this to her. In some way he was doing this to her with you.
Trust takes a long time to build; longer than other parts of a relationship so of course it hurts when someone in a cavalier and selfish manner dismisses or ignores what you might feel and the consequences of their actions in order to escape a relationship looking good. This is a case of a lot of self talk to get closure.

Savannah Jones

Savannah Jones said...

I do not write at 3 or 4 in the morning...I have the post appear at those times. Many of these have been written months prior to when they've posted.

Savannah Jones

Anonymous said...

I was once in a great relationship with a woman that I later realized I wanted to marry and it was too late. She seemed to have found closure with our break up and I seemed to have thought it really wasn't over and I could come back and she'd want me. I had a rebound relationship and ended up marrying this woman who was a rebound from the prior relationship. She was going through a divorce and I was her rebound. Everytime I see this woman, I'm mesmerized by her smile and ability to stand tall and face life head on. She's been through some really scary stuff and I would have stood by her and had hoped someone was. I am happy but I will always look back and wonder if I somehow missed the point of how she got closure because I was one of those that wrote notes and emails saying I was still hanging on hoping she wouldn't move on and would wait for me. Somewhere she got closure and somewhere I found a rebound replacement relationship.

Christy said...

I am pregnant with a child that was from a be nice to me moment with a friend. He was going to be a part of our life once the baby was born but has since moved onto another woman and doesn't want to be involved. I am on my own now and I feel I have closure because I will have this baby and a new life. But, what if the guy comes back into my life. I feel like because I have his child he could walk in whenever he wants. How do you find closure then.

Christy

Anonymous said...

Fish or Fowl person,
I have a suggestion because I'm like one of those women you talk about. I wanted more with one man then I hadn't really ended my relationship with this other guy. Both give me what I need in different ways. I was going through a bad period of divorce and one was really understanding but too understanding and the other was able to be practical and helpful with money, time, and advice. The other guy really is the one you want for the long run but for the short term problem I was having I needed the less desirable trait one. There were a lot of problems that I'd talk about with the nice caring guy and eventually we were just friends. Hang in with my story sir, after I got my life in order it took me everything I had to let go of the pratical sweet financially stable man and realize in my life I need someone who will really be there for me and not take me away from my kids or put their own needs before mine. What I mean is that some of the things practical guy did was be selfish with his time and his time with me when I needed help, blow of stress, laugh cry and more. I got tired of being alone and at the same time liked the time I had to get things accomplished. Eventually, I learned how to work my other relationship with nice guy to where it was a balance of what I needed and now that's who I'm with. I have a word of caution, you say you have this with a few women. It might be that those women know or sense you have this with a few women and don't like that so they hang with the other guy instead who isn't friends with a few women.

Savannah Jones said...

Ralph,
I think it's great that you admit who you are. Do your dates know this about you? I was wondering if you've ever dated a commitment phobic woman? Of course the research says that if you do,ironically you'll only want her more. You seem to have a handle on exactly what commitment phobic people do like want only an intermission to get some relief of the fear and then they come back for the curtain call. It's even been coined that name by the experts. You asked me what I think about that and I don't really think much about it except do you tell your dates that you have trouble with long term commitment and why? I think a woman should have the chance to know what she's getting into as best as she can even though you can't really know everything. Anyway, this post was about closure and another question for you is do you realize you make it hard for others to get closure if you string them along and make them think there's hope when you are a dreamer of hope but in reality a person with limitations?

Savannah Jones

Savannah Jones said...

To Neither Fish or Fowl,
I know a few men like you and have dated one or two. I have to agree with the person who wrote in that part of the problem is in the declaring that you have this "friend" relationship with more than one woman and other women can sense that so they don't let go of the other guy who doesn't have that. I also agree that all relationships aren't what they appear to be and only you can find out by asking or talking with that person. I also understand that puts it out there and makes it difficult if you're shot down and possibly puts a strain on the friendship - Risky choice and one I'd choose carefully. Dating at this age isn't easy. We come with so much more than we ever thought we would. In my case sometimes there were days when the bags were so heavy it might have taken a strong person to be around to be all different things. A shoulder to lean on when my shoulders were tired of the luggage, a person who could make me laugh to take the load off, a person who saw me as a woman even though I was tough enough to handle all of the bags, a person who let me relieve my stress in the manner suitable to me, and a person who understood that should the bags get lighter at any given time, he was still needed and would be there. Tall order that's for sure. Maybe I'm luckier than most in that I could find that in one person at certain times. Maybe the women you speak of still need your shoulders because the other guy they complain about doesn't seem to have strong ones. I do believe certain people come into our lives for many reasons and we just need to find the reasons all in good time.

Savannah Jones

Anonymous said...

I will never have closure. I am not like the men on here today. I'm a guy who fell in love at first sight and so did she. Her life was in turmoil and still it might be but I won't know because we no longer communicate. I have closure because she was honest all the way. I don't have closure in my heart because I compare everyone to her. I feel like I'm destined to live without her which I've come to terms with, but also destined to be alone.

Anonymous said...

Does D or David still write in? I haven't seen anything posted in a long time but also you have the moderation button turned on.

Savannah Jones said...

D or David may or may not write in. If he does, I am not aware of it. I don't post all of the comments if they aren't pertinent to the conversations on here and/or if they are obviously directed toward someone in a hurtful manner such as the Valentines Day issue and others. I realize that many groups of people tune in daily and sometimes when their love life isn't so lovely, they find a forum here so I'm moderating but haven't seen any of the regulars like Joshua, M, Ken, or D.

Savannah Jones

Savannah Jones

Anonymous said...

Savannah,
Do you believe in love at first sight? The guy in the comments previously said he fell in love at first sight. That sounds like a romantic to me. Closure is what I'm hoping to get this Christmas for my present. I have asked a woman to my home for the holidays to talk with me about my past with a guy I dated. She doesn't date him any longer and I need some closure. Her closure came when she saw him out with another woman. My break up came when I found out this woman existed. It's plain to see to me that this is who he is and you would think that would be enough for me to not care but its the way he went about it all and I want to know the details in order to get closure. Is that weird that this woman is willing to help me do this. It isn't some wicked game like I've read on here before where a woman is being mean to get even with another woman. She's over him and I'm over him but not over the things he said to me or the things he did to me because this other woman was around.

Anonymous said...

Great headline and play on words. I ran into an old friend at the super market and it opened old wounds of a bad break up. She informed me that my old boyfriend is getting married and he only knew this woman for three months. I dated him for three years. My friend said that he says it was the right time. If it wasn't the right time then why not say so instead of leading someone on? I don't get it and probably never will but wish he understood why he upset me so.

cammie said...

Savannah,
Baggage response well done! Tastefully too. I had an old wound opened up a couple of months ago. I got a call from an old boyfriend telling me that someone he knew said I was getting married. I'm not getting married and I'm not dating anyone. We talked for awhile and old stories and memories came back and I remembered why I loved him so and then I allowed myself to remember why it ended. That ending was harsh and I wonder if he called to get closure in a good way. Do you think guys call out of the blue to put a better spin on how it ended?

Cammie

Melanie said...

I spent the end of 2008 looking up closure articles. I like this one because it's real and it is what real people do. The man I was with all through 2007 and 2008 decided we were not right for each other. In the beginning of 2008 he said we were going to be married probably in 2009. In 2007 we were in heaven but in 2008 I think he found someone else on the side and maybe that's why we had a great relationship but then shouldn't I get to have someone on the side so I can have it all too? I didn't but wish I did. In the summer of 2008 we had laid out a plan for marriage and kids. In the fall he lost his job and the will to see any of this through. Last month we broke up. I am so hurt by what I see as lies. I don't think he ever really wanted to marry me. I remember catching him doing the someday and working on it phases that were mentioned in your previous site which I'm new but it looked the same I must have missed why they are listed seperate. I love this man and can't get over him. Do you know how to do this?

Please help with some advice
Melanie